Curse

jaximus · Nov 03, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

funny thing is, shadowform shouldnt exist in gw. so why complain about one ecto getting leeched? i hope this next update kills the whole ability to perma, then ill laugh at the qq threads. its sad when the gw pug world turns into this perma stole my ecto... something is seriously broken when you can have one player in an area and clear the whole thing.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 03, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

And people said the Golem thread was silly.

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Originally Posted by jaximus

shadowform shouldnt exist in gw. so why complain about one ecto getting leeched? i hope this next update kills the whole ability to perma, then ill laugh at the qq threads.

What? An assassin skill stupid & game-breaking? Say it isn't so!

MMSDome · Nov 03, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Immaturity and greed are nothing new. I posted screenshots of when I cleared FoW in HM with just me and 2 heros in 1:49 and all people did was demand the builds and flame me because I posted the SS' in hope of people figuring it out on their own.

SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE.

romeus petrus · Nov 03, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

It is unbelievable how many posters still don't understand the point the OP is making. He is not QQing about an ecto being leeched. He is complaining about the chamber sin pulling aggro to the reaper on purpose to wipe the team coz he didn't get the ecto he assumed was naturally his.

WTB posters who read before replying.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 03, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

IHe is not QQing about an ecto being leeched. He is complaining about the chamber sin pulling aggro to the reaper on purpose to wipe the team coz he didn't get the ecto he assumed was naturally his.

That doesn't really make this thread any less silly or any less QQing, now does it.

People in PUGs sometimes do inconsiderate or even stupid things, sometimes for not-very-good reasons. More news at 10.

EmptySkull · Nov 03, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

It is unbelievable how many posters still don't understand the point the OP is making. He is not QQing about an ecto being leeched. He is complaining about the chamber sin pulling aggro to the reaper on purpose to wipe the team coz he didn't get the ecto he assumed was naturally his.

WTB posters who read before replying.

Yeah I had someone get upset about me getting an ecto drop but they were killing the foes. I was mtns. Finished up and headed to plains to assist in 4h. I got into position on pits side to grab the 9 grp that spawns. This is what every good terra should do in this situation. Now I'm standing there waiting. I announce what I am doing. As I stand there I get an ecto drop. The terra clearing the plains immediately calls me a leecher and says that I better give that ecto to him/her. I just ignore the whinning and wait. We take the quest and finish up the run. After I clear my side I head to the ecto and pick it up. I get called a leecher. I explained as best I could that the ecto was mine. The game assigned it to me. We both paid a fair share for the cons that helped us down there so its not like I didn't pay my way. I also had a job to do, mtns, and did it. So as far as I am concerned I am not leeching.

Funny thing about the griefing chamber that wiped the party, is that not only did he not get his ecto. But he hurt himself and didn't get an ecto at the end chest. That is whats so funny.

Matter of fact I wished people would leech and not try to steal my agro when at the end of a run we still have time to farm.

There is no leeching in a uw sc run. Everyone paid for their spot. Everyone has a job and did it. If the game assigns you a drop then it is yours. Doesn't matter who actually killed the foe.

Loot Junkie · Nov 03, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

The problem with UWSC runs is since everybody is assigned to a specific area, it is easy to fall into the mindset that the foes in their area belong to them and hence, any drops from said foes belong only to the one doing the killing and nobody else. Ever seen a movie in which people who live in a small tucked away town believe "outsiders" dont have any business there? It's kind of the same mentality. This is wrong imo, you clear UW as a team, so receive your assigned drops as a team. In the situation where somebody from the vale team "leeches" an ecto from the chamber, it is often unavoidable since the chamber sin has already collected agro and proceeded to deal damage as the vale team is pushing through. Often times the necro has to hang around the labyrinth monument waiting for the chamber sin to kill off the dryders so that the reaper can pop, so he is not intentionally leeching off the chamber if an ecto happens to drop for him while he is waiting to take the restore quest.

Another point to make here is on the average over many runs, the chamber person makes way more ecto than the vale team, and should not be upset over an ecto that assigns to the vale team. They do just as much work as everybody else and usually get jack squat until the end chest. Same thing goes for the mountain terra who, imo, has the toughest job and almost never gets ecto from their area.

romeus petrus · Nov 03, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Loot Junkie

The problem with UWSC runs is since everybody is assigned to a specific area, it is easy to fall into the mindset that the foes in their area belong to them and hence, any drops from said foes belong only to the one doing the killing and nobody else. Ever seen a movie in which people who live in a small tucked away town believe "outsiders" dont have any business there? It's kind of the same mentality. This is wrong imo, you clear UW as a team, so receive your assigned drops as a team. In the situation where somebody from the vale team "leeches" an ecto from the chamber, it is often unavoidable since the chamber sin has already collected agro and proceeded to deal damage as the vale team is pushing through. Often times the necro has to hang around the labyrinth monument waiting for the chamber sin to kill off the dryders so that the reaper can pop, so he is not intentionally leeching off the chamber if an ecto happens to drop for him while he is waiting to take the restore quest.

Another point to make here is on the average over many runs, the chamber person makes way more ecto than the vale team, and should not be upset over an ecto that assigns to the vale team. They do just as much work as everybody else and usually get jack squat until the end chest. Same thing goes for the mountain terra who, imo, has the toughest job and almost never gets ecto from their area.

^Best post in the entire thread

Yep that pretty much sums it up. Unless you're a mentally inept 12 yo, you shouldnt worry about other members of the team leeching on you. And if u do get pissed someone leeched an ecto off of you, just keep it in and dont wipe the entire team like a tard.

GWEXTREEMFAN · Nov 03, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

did i miss something
did item asignment get lost somewhere?

who cares who killed the foe?

items are asigned randomly
live with it....

Reverend Dr · Nov 03, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

It is unbelievable how many posters still don't understand the point the OP is making. He is not QQing about an ecto being leeched. He is complaining about the chamber sin pulling aggro to the reaper on purpose to wipe the team coz he didn't get the ecto he assumed was naturally his.

WTB posters who read before replying.

Okay I've read everything. He's doing speed runs and someone wipes the team. This is certainly the first time someone has raged like this in an online game. And for an ecto, such a small amount, not even worth anything, completely worthless. Furthermore the 15 minute setback is absolutely horrendous. I cannot immagine such a setback, it is enough to make me want to uninstall.

Grj · Nov 03, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

^Best post in the entire thread

Yep that pretty much sums it up. Unless you're a mentally inept 12 yo, you shouldnt worry about other members of the team leeching on you. And if u do get pissed someone leeched an ecto off of you, just keep it in and dont wipe the entire team like a tard.

Excellent so now its okay to leech in these types of groups, nice coming from the guild that prides itself on speed and effienciy of completing elite areas.

If your leeching you not doing anything, speedy and efficient /sarcasm More to the point if you consider one of the best guilds at doing these kind of runs why would you get random outsiders in on it?

faraaz · Nov 03, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Grj

Excellent so now its okay to leech in these types of groups, nice coming from the guild that prides itself on speed and effienciy of completing elite areas.

If your leeching you not doing anything, speedy and efficient /sarcasm More to the point if you consider one of the best guilds at doing these kind of runs why would you get random outsiders in on it?

I think you have no idea what "leech" here means. We arent talking about inactive members of a party who get end chest without doing any work.

We are talking about people who were in the radius of a person who kills a monster, thereby being randomly assigned a valuable item drop from said monster.

romeus petrus · Nov 03, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Grj

Excellent so now its okay to leech in these types of groups, nice coming from the guild that prides itself on speed and efficiency of completing elite areas.

"Leeching" happens naturally during the run as players cross paths. If you ever been to UW before you would realize that you dont necessarily have to kill the monster to get the ecto it drops. *gasp

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Originally Posted by Grj

More to the point if you consider one of the best guilds at doing these kind of runs why would you get random outsiders in on it?

Learn to read:

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Mara (the OP) does on average 12-15 UWSC a day, the most that I know of were 34 back to back UWSC, most of them are with a full guild/alliance team. At least some have 1 to several PUGs to fill up all the remaining spots especially at odd hours.

Your argument would make sense if the OP did 1 UW run a week announced beforehand on the guild status/website. But when UWSC are as natural to you as clicking your TV remote, this argument no longer holds true.

upier · Nov 03, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Mara (the OP) does on average 12-15 UWSC a day, the most that I know of were 34 back to back UWSC, most of them are with a full guild/alliance team. At least some have 1 to several PUGs to fill up all the remaining spots especially at odd hours.

Thanks for putting things into perspective!

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Originally Posted by faraaz

I've had 2 runs in 2 days where the Chamber sin has had an argument with the vale team and then wiped the ENTIRE run out of malice.

That's 2 runs out of something like 24-68.
Shit happens.
You move on.

Now, don't get me wrong - we appreciate the rant because things are getting boring here (and with that in mind I REALLY hope that A.Net will mess up the update ROYALLY because if they get it right, that means we are screwed for a month! I mean surely people can't expect we'll PLAY the game, and if there isn't a royal screw-up then there is like no point in actually hanging around here!), but this rant pretty much expired after we made fun of the OP by saying that he was the necro.

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 03, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

dude yeah u guise are right OP, itamz shuld totally go to whoever last-hits the creep, i mean you don't see people just hangin around by their tower not last-hitting enemy creeps and just getting gold for no work rite?

maraxusofk · Nov 03, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

lol this could have easily been prevented if the party just agreed to pitch 5k to the guy complaining. better than wiping a half way done run at least.

id say both sides are quite justified in this case to their argument. if a drop is assigned to someone, they can go pick it up. however the person doing the killing is also entitled to the drops of the area he is soloing.

jaximus · Nov 03, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

dude yeah u guise are right OP, itamz shuld totally go to whoever last-hits the creep, i mean you don't see people just hangin around by their tower not last-hitting enemy creeps and just getting gold for no work rite?

what? so adjust the entire games mechanics so people using a very broken skill can get more drops than say, a monk whos busy healing/protting? no.

anet needs to just destroy shadow form. people will cry, then they will find a new way to do things.

hmm actually...

"It is recommended that you enter with a party of eight Ascended heroes. Do you still wish to enter Genth's realm with your current group?" best i can understand that means you go in as a group so the drops are split as a group. this area was intended to be difficult with 8 people, but because people insist that because uw/fow are core areas, they say only core/proph skills can be used by creatures down there, its been abused by skills like shadow form. it makes an area meant for a group of 8 working together into a joke.

shadow form needs to be removed and you wont have your petty issues.

Shadowmoon · Nov 03, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Whenever i id UW sc, whenever i happen to leach a ecto off of someone elses group he was soloing, if i was ask for it, i alwasy gave it them. Personally if feel it was immature for the player to refuse to give the chamber sin his ecto if it was a group he entirely soloed. Now it doesn't excuse the sin for wiping the group.
IMO both the necro and the sin were at fault. I guess it goes back to not pisses off the guy who can screw up your run.

Chocobo1 · Nov 03, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Vale necros probably get the least drops in the UW SC. If I'm Necroing and a Ecto drops for me I'm taking it. I dont care if I have an easy role, Shadowform tanking isnt the most difficult thing the world. Never seen someone bad mannered enough to actually ruin the run because of that particular reason, but then again I haven't done UW SC since before the UA nerf. 9/10 runs are just terrible ugh. Good effort still doing the bullshit though.

nvmu · Nov 03, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

this is just outright funny, its a speed clear who cares, why should some1 who solos a part get all the "good" drops when every1 else should get "bad" drops from that part even though they are just as important, if a person wants to b1tch that much they should just go find some where to solo and avoid all people, its not like they waited for the item to go neutral and then picked it up, thats a different story